CSLA Training

HarvSather posted on Monday, September 11, 2006

We are looking for some training in CSLA for our main group, about a dozen programmers

Has anyone had any experience with this company?

http://www.dunntraining.com

They have a specific course on CSLA

http://www.dunntraining.com/CSLATraining.htm

Any other links or suggestions are also welcome.

TIA

DeHaynes replied on Monday, September 11, 2006

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but if you buy the book and read it, it is a lot cheaper. Those classes are $1750 - $2250. That is quite an investment for 10 people. The book is $53 after shipping and handling from Amazon. That is 3% - 2.3% of the cost of the classes.

I never used business objects until two weeks before I bought the book. I am currently developing the SQL2005 database, Stored Procedures and Business objects. I even plan adding functionality like IsActive to my objects so I can retire them without deleting them from the database. The book is VERY good and well explained.

Either way, I wish you well.

Tim

HarvSather replied on Monday, September 11, 2006

Sometimes it is difficult to motivate people until they have seen the big picture.
People are sometimes stuck in their ways, and an official training program can create new excitement

I do plan to contact Magenic as well.

guyroch replied on Monday, September 11, 2006

Harv, I ran into somebody that has been somewhat exposed to CSLA about 2 months ago and without him knowing that I've been toying with CSLA for about 2 years he immediatly said that he did not like CSLA because it seems repetitive.

He was right to some extent in that the repetition is a direct result of CSLA in the first place - you keep coding what's important, like your properties, your validation rules, etc... and not the framwork itself, Rocky did that for all of us. How can coding what is important, and only what is important seems repetitive? The obvious answer is probably that that developer wanted to do what he wanted and not necessarily what his boss wanted him to do :)

Now, I'm a huge fan of CSLA and I will defend it for as long as I can. BUT, make sure your developers DO believe in it - if not, then at the very least beg them to read the book (the cheaper option here) and then, only then, should they be allowed to make a sound evaluation of if CSLA is repetitive or not.

I do believe... do you?

DesNolan replied on Monday, September 11, 2006

Don't know company, but thought I'd mention, Rocky works for Magenic, who also offer to assist people with CSLA. I believe a number of employees there have contributed and used CSLA over the years.

I wish I'd help myself with the CSLA n-level undo where there's parent-child-granchildren relationships, that's my big struggle to overcome at the moment.

Good luck with your learning, and glad to see there 's multiple sources for that out there.

Cheers,

Des Nolan

jwooley replied on Monday, September 11, 2006

Some people learn fine from books. Others by just digging into code. Some do need the outside assistance a training program can provide. I know a number of people who work with Dunn Training and all are top notch.

If you are in the Atlanta area, it's too bad you missed out on the series's that the Atlanta VB Study Group have done in the past on CSLA (VB 6 and again in .Net 1.x) I've been doing CSLA in the Atlanta area for 6+ years now, so I might be able to help out if you need.

Jim Wooley
http://devauthority.com/blogs/jwooley