Advice for getting up to speed on CSLA.Net

Advice for getting up to speed on CSLA.Net

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justin.fisher posted on Tuesday, May 13, 2008

I have been scouring the net and published books for information about CSLA.Net and quit frankly am becoming quite confused.

I purchase the C# Business Objects book used from amazon and suspected that it may be a revision behind.  So, I purchased the eBook to ensure I had the most recent revision.

I am reviewing the project tracker sample and that code looks different than what is in either of the books.  Also I have watched some webcasts that appear way out of sync with the current demo application.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to get up to speed quickly?  Something like read chapter n in book ___, and maybe a webcast that is current.

Thanks in advance.

ajj3085 replied on Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Hi,

The most recent book is the Expert 2005 [language] Business Objects.  In addition, there are two ebooks that cover 2.1 and 3.0, respectively.  If you need to know right now, those are the books to read.

If you're not going to use Wpf, Wcf, or anything else in .Net 3.0, you can skip the 3.0 ebook.

There's a new book coming out covering version 3.5; if it's like the last two actual books, the first few chapters will explore what is needd by a business framework and explain how to build it.  The later chapters are how to use Csla to build applications.

The 2008 version of the book should be out in Sept for C#, and you can pre-order it now on Amazon and probably other places.  The vb.net one will come later.. again if everything follows the same pattern as the previous books.

So to answer your question, you may do fine downloading Csla and the PTracker sample, and trying to understand that.  Also, check out the site OneLittleVictory; there should be a link from the forums, although I'm not sure how current that site is (it was built when 2.0 came out).

Andy

chrisghardwick replied on Tuesday, May 13, 2008

There are some training classes out there for Csla. If you want to get ahead of the game, and in a hurry that might be your best option.

RockfordLhotka replied on Tuesday, May 13, 2008

http://www.lhotka.net/Article.aspx?area=4&id=a79647a6-2557-4af2-b67e-cc18762acb40

justin.fisher replied on Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Seems just my luck to evaluate something in transition . . . .

I am now bouncing between the Expert Business Objects ebook and the Using CSLA 3 ebook.  I feel as though I'm finally getting some traction but it has not been easy.  I'm sure part of the problem is the current state of the frameworks documentation shifting from 2 -> 3.

I watched a CSLA walk through on the .Net Rocks site and I think a quick walkthrough with the new version would be very helpful.  It seemed like a decent 'lay of the land' sort of presentation.  Is there already something like this out there somewhere?

RockfordLhotka replied on Tuesday, May 13, 2008

It isn’t really “in transition”. Writing a 750 page book is no small undertaking, and expecting people to purchase new editions of such a book 1-2 times a year as the framework changes seems to me like a poor model.

 

This is why I opted to write the ebook sequels – to provide documentation and information as the framework changed without the huge overhead of updating and republishing the big book every 8-12 months.

 

Additionally there’s a broader market issue with technology books. People tend to buy them because the tie into some bigger thing like a major version of Visual Studio, or to a lesser degree to a major version of .NET. There hasn’t been a major release from Microsoft since VS 2005, and so there was no big product behind which an updated book could ‘draft’ to get momentum. (Which is a really polite way of saying that the 2.1 and 3.0 books, were they 750 page paper books, would never have sold enough copies to pay for themselves)

 

So in 2006 I was faced with the option of either making CSLA commercial, or coming up with some other scheme by which to deliver documentation and financially support the development of the framework. The ebook idea was the gamble I took at that time. It isn’t a perfect solution, but it is better (I think) than going commercial and restricting the audience for CSLA, or providing no documentation and probably less development work over that time.

 

I am working on Expert 2008 Business Objects, but will likely do more ebook sequels following that book – for the same reasons as I did the last two.

 

 

To your last question, Carl has talked to me about doing some more DNR TV shows, the problem has been one of scheduling. I seriously overbooked myself over the past 9 months or so – which was a mistake I hope never to repeat (but probably will – you know how it goes…).

 

So at some point there might be some overview DNR TV shows, yes.

 

Additionally I do hope to put together a series of video training materials for sale. This may be in conjunction with Dunn Training, or I may do it directly. There’s been quite a few requests for this type of material, and I think it would be a good vehicle to deliver content.

 

Rocky

 

justin.fisher replied on Wednesday, May 14, 2008

I think NOT going commercial was a brilliant idea ;-)

And just some feed back from the 'out there' I think the eBooks are a nice option and are pretty reasonably priced.

I look forward to any more webcasts in the future.

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